MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby youguanxi » Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:33

AndrewB wrote:
youguanxi wrote:...Would appreciate If anyone could proof my experience & confirm reliable operation of Mykerinos under ... Z97... motherboard!

Are you able to hold off purchase of a new Mobo until the X99 ?
I'm not really sure the interim steps are really worth while.
(I even know a PC builder that continually tells me that Haswell 1150 wasn't really worth his while.)

Andrew,
It's a pity, but PCI\5V tolerance has been obviously removed from upcoming new gen. X99 Wellburgs-X PCH (for Hasswell-E 8-core processors).

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby AndrewB » Sun Aug 17, 2014 23:33

youguanxi wrote:It's a pity, but PCI\5V tolerance has been obviously removed from upcoming new gen. X99 Wellburgs-X PCH (for Hasswell-E 8-core processors).


Intel Ark hasn't officially listed the x99 or C610 chipset specifications. I've been curiously waiting. This doesn't sound like great news for legacy PCI if it's indeed the case.

Another idea that recently occurred to me, with the release of the X99, there will be many power users and hardcore gamers leaving their X79 platforms and moving up to X99. You will probably be able to get a used X79 for a great deal. It would be a less expensive way to achieve PCI direct to PCH than a C602. C602 do come up second hand as well, but I expect will be much less plentiful (thought the warranty tend to be much longer). How many PCI slots do you need ?
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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby youguanxi » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:42

Andrew,
I need two PCI slots.
I'll try luck with SuperMicro X9SRH-7F ( holds up to 12 cores and up to 135W).
It has 3 PCI,
It has more than any consumer X79 MOBO can offer:
-SuperMicro claims that Intel C602J chipset version, implemented in X9SRH-7F is a long-life version of C602: 7-years of 24-hours service (Intel positions the C602J for "Mission critical applications").
-It supports registered, ECC memory with errors correction.
-It has LSI SAS2 controller on-board - to use SAS HDD instead of SATA as a storage option. I assume this may contribute to sound quality. You even can use dedicated integrated controllers (Intel & LSI) for a OS drive & a media HDD, respectively! LSI controller uses direct to CPU PCIe x8 lane independent from PCI.
(good reading on SATA v.s. SAS topic http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/s ... ata-1.html).
-MOBO's BIOS settings allows to take specific amounts of RAM from OS & allocate it to hungry PCI devices, & have such exotic feature as 5% CPU clocks de-synchronization which aims to reduce EMI.
-It has Matrox 200 (16Mb DDR2) - graphics on-board, capable to hold 1900 x 1200 res. after driver tweak :) However, I have to admit, that integrated video in this MOBO is, actually, no use, as it resides on the PCI bus & heavily loads DMA. When integarated graphics is in use, Pyramix in MassCore mode will report "DMA overload" (up to 65-70% idle) & a "poor PCI response time".
- Last, but not least, it has IPMI with KVM, which allows you totally manage your DAW server distantly (resides on the same PCI bus thou)!
There is a cheaper option: SuperMicro X9SRA MOBO, but it has only 1 PCI slot, no VGA on-board (not sure about IPMI), no SAS controller, and standard, not a long-life version of C602 chipset.

After all, when I look on my SuperMicro server MOBO & compare it with my modern consumer mobos like ASUS Z97-A or Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H (not cheap, thou), I have to observe, that the SuperMicro bears twice as many crystal oscillators as the latter. I'm not about to assert anything, I'll better stick to a PRO hardware solution instead.

PS: Now I can confirm: I've installed Mykerinos PCI card into the SuperMicro X9SRH-7F MOBO on Xeon E5-2650 CPU (characteristics are identical to modern E5-2640 V2, namely 8 cores 2Ghz, 20Mb L3 cache, 95W TDP), with an offboard graphics (AMD 2270 - passive cooling, only 10W TDP) Windows 7 x86, Pyramix 7.2, MassCore, 4Cores for Windows + 4 Cores Dedicated, works fine (without Hyper-threading)! DMA idle load within 25%. DMA 31% (6ch 24-192kHz output monitoring). ASIO works with Jriver19, however mixer is not available. Beware of the LGA2011 narrow ILM type - choose appropriate CPU cooler (for example, Noctua NH-U12DX i4).
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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby AndrewB » Tue Aug 19, 2014 03:01

youguanxi wrote:PS: I've seen people on this forum going to install Mykerinos PCI card into the SuperMicro X9SRH-7F setup, however haven't heard any proof of success yet? Updates are appreciated!


Hey Dmitry
I may be the poster you are thinking of ?
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=10060
I was demonstrating the documentation of 3 'native' PCI slots on-board Supermicro X9SRH-7F.

The C602chipset HP Z820 and Z620 only have one PCI.

There are others that use enterprise grade PCs:
-HP Z800 (Intel 5520 chipset?) with Mykerinos PCI and
-C602chipset with Myk X-30 (Intel S2600COE)
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=8519

We are actually using a C602 HPZ620 with Horus (Ravenna ASIO) but not yet with Mykerinos or Masscore. Even though we have the Ravenna Masscore Ethernet card, we haven't yet installed it. We were waiting for 64 bit RTX and other ....
Our Z620 setup viewtopic.php?f=54&t=9963

I don't believe Masscore settles well with Hyper-Threading. Also keep in mind that Pyramix V8 manual confirmed the use of twin quad cores CPU, (thus one assumes 8 core CPU will be fine), but this may vary with earlier versions of Pyramix and MYK hardware. (A separate recent post left for you, I wondered if reducing cores on your current system might help compatibility. Might be a long shot, but worth a try).

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby youguanxi » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:18

Hi, Andrew!
Yes, it was your post to incline me towards SuperMicro C602 chipset MOBO paired with Myk PCI card. Thanks!
Ok, I'll give it a try soon. Will update the thread.

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby DJS » Sat Aug 23, 2014 02:09

youguanxi wrote:I'll try luck with SuperMicro X9SRH-7F ( holds up to 12 cores and up to 135W) paired with Intel Xeon E5-2640 V2 CPU (22nm Ivy Bridge EP, 8 cores - 16 streams in HT mode, 2 GHz - 2.4GHz turbo-boost, 20Mb L3 cash. 90W max TDP).
It has 3 PCI,
It has more than any consumer X79 MOBO can offer:
-SuperMicro claims that Intel C602J chipset version, implemented in X9SRH-7F is a long-life version of C602: 7-years of 24-hours service (Intel positions the C602J as "Mission critical").
-It has Matrox 200 (16Mb DDR2) - graphics on-board, capable to hold 1900 x 1200 res. after driver tweak :) No additional heat & EMI production from an external video-card.
-It supports registered, ECC memory with errors correction.
-It has LSI SAS2 controller on-board - to use SAS HDD instead of SATA as a storage option. I assume this may contribute to sound quality
(good reading on the topic http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/s ... ata-1.html).

But no USB3 anywhere. Is this an issue? Perhaps not. But the biggest problem with this motherboard is $2000 for a suitable Xeon CPU. 8O
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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby youguanxi » Sat Aug 23, 2014 09:51

Why? There is a wide range of E5-26xx V2 CPU's, starting from Intel Xeon E5-2609v2 Processor (2.50GHz, 4Core, 10M Cache, 80W) which costs ~ $280 - $300 USD.
Sure, if you prefer, E5-2660 V2 (2.20 - 3 GHz, 10Core, 25M Cache, 95W), be prepared to pay around ~ $1350 USD.
USB 3.0 - what for?

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby AndrewB » Fri Aug 29, 2014 14:22

DJS wrote: But no USB3 anywhere.


If this is a necessity, Supermicro X9SRA (with c602 chipset) has 4x USB3. Only 1x PCI 32bit/33MHz slot.
http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... /X9SRA.cfm
http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/ ... .cfm?pg=MB

The HP C602 motherboards (Z820, Z620) also have 4x USB3.0 and 1x PCI.

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby youguanxi » Fri Aug 29, 2014 17:46

Hi there!
I've just edited my post from 18th of August, see my setup first experience there.

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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby AndrewB » Thu Sep 04, 2014 22:16

Specifications for Intel X99 Chipset (Intel DHX99 PCH - Formerly Wellsburg) officially listed on Intel Ark this week.
http://ark.intel.com/products/81761/Intel-DHX99-PCH

No legacy PCI support direct to PCH.
PCIe-to-PCI Bridging chip required.

Same goes for enterprise grade Intel C612 Chipset (Intel DH82029 PCH - Formerly Wellsburg)
http://ark.intel.com/products/81759/Intel-DH82029-PCH
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Re: MYK-MB5_AES/EBU DSD on Z97-A MB with ASM1083 PCI bridge

Postby mpdonahue » Thu Sep 04, 2014 23:07

Hate to say it, but the QM67 and Q77 are probably the last native PCI chipsets.
The Asus and AsRock Q77 mobo's have been absolutely stable and compatible with 2 card Mykerinos systems. These are still available and the processors are still in the pipeline for now.
There was a Jetway Q77 board that had 4 pci slots, but I could never get more than 3 PCI Mykerinos cards to work correctly. Not a problem for us as we have 2 MB5 and 2 X30 cards in those systems.
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