What is broken?

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Dr. Fred
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What is broken?

Postby Dr. Fred » Thu Oct 17, 2002 19:17

Hi, everyone!

Well, I'm about to get a Toshiba 5105 laptop like Silas has; I already have the four-slot Magma chassis. But before I finally buy that system, I need to get my present Merging desktop one working properly again. Two days ago it stopped recording "the way it used to."

Here's my anecdotal data for those frustrating three hours on Tuesday, before I gave up and went to bed:

I had set up to transfer a 4 track/88.2 kHz organ music session in (from tape playback), via AES/EBU.

The four tracks showed up in properly in the mixer, the red record bars moved across the screen after I pressed record, and the time numbers counted up as expected.

But when I stopped, and subsequently named the file, its waveforms did not appear in the timeline. Not only that, but *nothing about it* showed up on the proper media drive.

HOWEVER, the four Pyramix files created by my recording process *did* appear at the Windows explorer level.

BUT IF I REBOOTED (exiting and re-starting Pyramix wasn't enough), THEN my new recording showed up properly in Pyramix's media window (with the little cassette icon), and I could then drag that icon manually into the timeline. THEN the waveforms appeared immediately and it played back just fine. It's a little disconcerting, however, not seeing any evidence of having done a recording! Not to mention that it will take forever to enter twelve hours of takes that way..

I duplicated this phenomenon six times that evening. Why is Pyramix not registering its recordings until after a complete computer re-boot?

One last bit of data: Maybe my Pyramix 4.0 SP2 application file really is broken.. I had a power failure that afternoon just as it was starting up, and for an hour afterwards kept getting a "DSP0 has trouble loading" or some such warning; Pyramix would freeze, and I would have to reset..

But eventually it calmed down, so I thought the coast was clear for me to begin my transfer.

Wrong!

Happy head-scratching!

"Dr. Fred"

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Graemme
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Re: What is broken?

Postby Graemme » Fri Oct 18, 2002 05:03

Hi Dr. Fred,

The solution sounds simple enough to me...

De-install and re-install Pyramix from your original 4.0sp2 CD or .exe file.

If that doesn't work you may actually have a Windows problem, depending upon what you and the computer were doing when the power went off

A power failure could easily cause erratic behaviour in any Windows application.

While you are at it, install sp3 instead. (The release notes have the necessary update info.)

Regards,

Graemme



Dr. Fred wrote:Hi, everyone!

Well, I'm about to get a Toshiba 5105 laptop like Silas has; I already have the four-slot Magma chassis. But before I finally buy that system, I need to get my present Merging desktop one working properly again. Two days ago it stopped recording "the way it used to."

Here's my anecdotal data for those frustrating three hours on Tuesday, before I gave up and went to bed:

I had set up to transfer a 4 track/88.2 kHz organ music session in (from tape playback), via AES/EBU.

The four tracks showed up in properly in the mixer, the red record bars moved across the screen after I pressed record, and the time numbers counted up as expected.

But when I stopped, and subsequently named the file, its waveforms did not appear in the timeline. Not only that, but *nothing about it* showed up on the proper media drive.

HOWEVER, the four Pyramix files created by my recording process *did* appear at the Windows explorer level.

BUT IF I REBOOTED (exiting and re-starting Pyramix wasn't enough), THEN my new recording showed up properly in Pyramix's media window (with the little cassette icon), and I could then drag that icon manually into the timeline. THEN the waveforms appeared immediately and it played back just fine. It's a little disconcerting, however, not seeing any evidence of having done a recording! Not to mention that it will take forever to enter twelve hours of takes that way..

I duplicated this phenomenon six times that evening. Why is Pyramix not registering its recordings until after a complete computer re-boot?

One last bit of data: Maybe my Pyramix 4.0 SP2 application file really is broken.. I had a power failure that afternoon just as it was starting up, and for an hour afterwards kept getting a "DSP0 has trouble loading" or some such warning; Pyramix would freeze, and I would have to reset..

But eventually it calmed down, so I thought the coast was clear for me to begin my transfer.

Wrong!

Happy head-scratching!

"Dr. Fred"
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Silas
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Postby Silas » Sun Oct 20, 2002 01:13

Hi Dr. Fred,

While I'm sure Graemme's suggestion is the right way to go, I thought you should double check that the Library Filter is not on in the Media Management window (one of the binocular icons-I think ctrl-F toggles it on / off). Once I inadvertently turned it on and the "symptoms" were similar-newly recorded media not showing up in the MM window. At the bottom of the MM window though it did say "1 item, 0 items displayed".
I hope its this simple.

Best Wishes,
Silas

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Postby Graemme » Sun Oct 20, 2002 05:25

Silas wrote:Hi Dr. Fred,

...I thought you should double check that the Library Filter is not on in the Media Management window (one of the binocular icons-I think ctrl-F toggles it on / off


Hi Silas and Fred,

Yep. A very good suggestion that I had completely forgotten about! :oops:

Regards,

Graemme
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Jakob Händel
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Postby Jakob Händel » Tue Oct 22, 2002 12:15

Hi Dr Fred,

maybe you should also check if your drives are NTFS-formatted. I have experienced a similar phenomenon with FAT32-formatted drives. Your 88,2 kHz files may exceed the manageable diskspace - which might cause the trouble.

Cheers,
Jakob

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Try reformatting drive first

Postby phaseboy » Fri Nov 22, 2002 08:51

I've had the exact same problem with drives that I had formatted on a mac - Mac OS extended. I have Mac Drive running on my windows machine so that I can use mac drives as well. I've always been able to get the audio to show up in the media manager after a reboot though.

This has never happened to me on NTFS drives I formatted on the W2K machine.

Cheers.

Mark Willsher

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Try reformatting drive first

Postby phaseboy » Fri Nov 22, 2002 08:55

I've had the exact same problem with drives that I had formatted on a mac - Mac OS extended. I have Mac Drive running on my windows machine so that I can use mac drives as well. I've always been able to get the audio to show up in the media manager after a reboot though.

This has never happened to me on NTFS drives I formatted on the W2K machine.

Cheers.

Mark Willsher