Hi All,
I'm a new convert to Pyramix having used Sequoia extensively for 3 or 4 years. I think I can find my way around Pyramix reasonably well but wondered what is the best way to learn all the relevant classical workflow ideas beside reading the manual? There's a reference to a classical how-to but I guess it has still not been produced? I watched an old YouTube video by Jean-Daniel Noir and despite my now non-existent French I think he is relying on duplicated track groups (with exclusive soloing), simple drag/drop and using the fade editor for small corrections? Is this the most efficient way? I've also used source-destination editing once in Pyramix so far (after using it extensively in Sequoia) and it seems just as good but the question I thought I'd never ask: is it necessary for classical given the drag/drop functionality with auto-crossfade? What is the best way to save some or all of this initial setup with track groups, source-destination, auto-ripple/auto-crossfade to avoid having to start afresh each time?
Aside from some pointers on general classical workflow, I am having trouble with the resolution of waveforms in the fade editor. If I zoom in step by step there's a point at which the waveform suddenly transforms to a thin-looking "sample" level and becomes really difficult to use. I've yet to find a really clear consistent zoom level that makes lining up transients easy like the default zoom in Sequoia's crossfade editor.
Other things that I'm trying to figure out are how "auto-crossfade" and "auto-ripple" interact with the drag/drop options in "All Settings > Editing"; the differences between selection and "region"; render vs mixdown vs generate master, Resample "very good" vs SRC in mixdown of "very high"...
I've created my own custom shortcuts for both Reaper and Pyramix (where functions overlap) to aid muscle memory. However, in general, it all feels a bit like I'm having to poke around and do a lot of guess work to get up to speed. I live in the middle of nowhere so finding an engineer who uses Pyramix and who would be willing to show me efficient workflow is really out of the question. So far, I've read the Quick Start guide, and Source-Destination and Fade Editor sections of the main user manual.
Thanks for any and all help. I'm glad I've taken the step to move to Pyramix and can already tell this will be a deeply rewarding move. FYI, I'm running Pyramix 12 Native on Win10.
Classical workflow and some other questions
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Re: Classical workflow and some other questions
Hi BachStudies,
Some quick answers ...
By all means you can just crossfade clips together, hold down control and slide across, without using SD editing. I do this for most concerts where only topping and tailing and shortening of movement gaps is required. For multi-track, multi-take session classical with lots of editing, SD is a must.
You can save project and workspace setups as templates to reuse. But I don't do this. As SD is so easy to setup and all my projects are different, I don't use templates. To setup SD, Go to track groups tab, create "Source1" track group, set as Source type, go to tracks tab, put all tracks into Source1, back to track groups tab, duplicate Source1, name the new one Dest1, set it as Destination type.
Just set your waveform display to View, Waveform Display, Auto-Scale Visible Waveform. This annoyed me for ages too. Beware with this setting and many tracks, zooming and moving clips can get a bit laggy.
I never use Auto-CrossFade, always hold down control and slide to cross-fade, then double click the xfade to edit. But Auto-Ripple is always on, when working from left to right through an edit project.
Not sure what you mean here.
Forget Render. Use Mixdown for quick file export/print of individual clips or selections or whole timeline without markers. Use generate master when CD markers are defined and you want a reproducible CD Image and files in various formats.
SRC is sort of the same in both MixDown and in GenMaster. I never "Resample" anything.
Yes, its a very productive program once you have the basics under your feet. I couldn't go back to anything else now.
Good luck.
Some quick answers ...
bachstudies wrote:I watched an old YouTube video by Jean-Daniel Noir and despite my now non-existent French I think he is relying on duplicated track groups (with exclusive soloing), simple drag/drop and using the fade editor for small corrections? Is this the most efficient way?
By all means you can just crossfade clips together, hold down control and slide across, without using SD editing. I do this for most concerts where only topping and tailing and shortening of movement gaps is required. For multi-track, multi-take session classical with lots of editing, SD is a must.
I've also used source-destination editing once in Pyramix so far (after using it extensively in Sequoia) and it seems just as good but the question I thought I'd never ask: is it necessary for classical given the drag/drop functionality with auto-crossfade? What is the best way to save some or all of this initial setup with track groups, source-destination, auto-ripple/auto-crossfade to avoid having to start afresh each time?
You can save project and workspace setups as templates to reuse. But I don't do this. As SD is so easy to setup and all my projects are different, I don't use templates. To setup SD, Go to track groups tab, create "Source1" track group, set as Source type, go to tracks tab, put all tracks into Source1, back to track groups tab, duplicate Source1, name the new one Dest1, set it as Destination type.
Aside from some pointers on general classical workflow, I am having trouble with the resolution of waveforms in the fade editor. If I zoom in step by step there's a point at which the waveform suddenly transforms to a thin-looking "sample" level and becomes really difficult to use. I've yet to find a really clear consistent zoom level that makes lining up transients easy like the default zoom in Sequoia's crossfade editor.
Just set your waveform display to View, Waveform Display, Auto-Scale Visible Waveform. This annoyed me for ages too. Beware with this setting and many tracks, zooming and moving clips can get a bit laggy.
Other things that I'm trying to figure out are how "auto-crossfade" and "auto-ripple" interact with the drag/drop options in "All Settings > Editing";
I never use Auto-CrossFade, always hold down control and slide to cross-fade, then double click the xfade to edit. But Auto-Ripple is always on, when working from left to right through an edit project.
the differences between selection and "region";
Not sure what you mean here.
render vs mixdown vs generate master
Forget Render. Use Mixdown for quick file export/print of individual clips or selections or whole timeline without markers. Use generate master when CD markers are defined and you want a reproducible CD Image and files in various formats.
Resample "very good" vs SRC in mixdown of "very high"...
SRC is sort of the same in both MixDown and in GenMaster. I never "Resample" anything.
I'm glad I've taken the step to move to Pyramix and can already tell this will be a deeply rewarding move. FYI, I'm running Pyramix 12 Native on Win10.
Yes, its a very productive program once you have the basics under your feet. I couldn't go back to anything else now.
Good luck.
David Spearritt
Classical and Acoustic Music, BNE, Australia
Classical and Acoustic Music, BNE, Australia
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Re: Classical workflow and some other questions
Thanks for the quick answers.
I ended up with this setting before I first posted on the forum. It looks great but just at the moment I want one more zoom in to properly align transients, the whole waveform changes its appearance and looks like wire-frame. Perhaps I'm just used to a larger default crossfade window in Sequoia. I'll continue to experiment!
Just set your waveform display to View, Waveform Display, Auto-Scale Visible Waveform.
I ended up with this setting before I first posted on the forum. It looks great but just at the moment I want one more zoom in to properly align transients, the whole waveform changes its appearance and looks like wire-frame. Perhaps I'm just used to a larger default crossfade window in Sequoia. I'll continue to experiment!