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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby mpdonahue » Mon Jul 10, 2017 03:02

stephanc wrote:Hi Mark and colleagues,

I wonder if there has been any update in the past two years regarding Masscore on a laptop. There are new PCI Express adapters released, and I wonder if you've further investigated in this matter. Now with Merging advertising on their website the support of the late MBP models with v11 and stating that Macbook Pro's of the last generation "seem to be the preferred laptop for on location recordings". I wish Masscore on a laptop would become reliable reality.

Thanks for any input,


Stephan

mpdonahue wrote:
I suspect you will be waiting a long time for Macbook Masscore....The holdup is actually the RTX driver from Interval Zero (Not Merging). We've tried all the available Thunderbolt to PCIe adapters and they all have the fundamental problem of RTX not seeing the Merging Network card. There was a discussion over a year ago about trying to get Interval Zero to use an OEM Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter to work with the driver. There has been radio silence since then.

I run Masscore on my Lenovo W540 all the time. I found an passive (Has to be passive1) Expresscard to PCIe PCB on a Chinese website years ago. It is designed to allow use of an outboard graphics card on a laptop. The RTX sees the card just like an internal slot and it actually works pretty phenomenal on the Lenovo with the standard caveat about using onboard video. (High count DSD and DXD are not happy with Intel Integrated video) I recently recorded an opera with over 80 tracks of 192 on it and it works faster than my 2 year old silent builds. W540 also has Thunderbolt which I use for an outboard storage array.

I've ordered one of the Dell M4800 laptops with the integrated AMD Firepro graphics($1500 fully loaded). Will let you know how it works as soon as I get a chance to test it here.
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We've relegated laptops to native only use. I can coax my lenovo W540 to do Masscore, but it is not for the uninitiated. I can't send it out as a primary recorder with the other engineers.
On the merging site, they talk of MBP for NATIVE only.
There are changes coming in the Merging/RTX world. We are anxiously waiting for the new updates that will hopefully eliminate the Nvidia exclusion and the expansion of multi-processor support.
There was a mythical MBP/Masscore setup, but the constant changes in both MAC hardware and software made it a bit of a white elephant. The mid-2014 MBP/Iris Pro Graphics with Mavericks and bootcamp using a Sonnett Echo Express was made to work, with all the same onboard video issues.
I'm looking into NUC based systems this summer. Will let you know how it turns out.
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby jplaurel » Fri Sep 08, 2017 21:18

Hi Mark,
I'd be interested to hear more about anything you've learned about running Masscore on a NUC. Also, I have heard that Masscore can run in Native mode on a laptop with the USB key. Do you happen to know if that's true? The reason I ask is that I'm primarily mobile, but also work in my local area. For local sessions, I could reasonably bring a desktop machine for running Masscore. But for jobs where I have to travel, and Native will do, sometimes only a laptop is possible top bring. PMX is very expensive, so I'd rather just have a single license and use it on either machine as needed.

mpdonahue wrote:We've relegated laptops to native only use. I can coax my lenovo W540 to do Masscore, but it is not for the uninitiated. I can't send it out as a primary recorder with the other engineers.
On the merging site, they talk of MBP for NATIVE only.
There are changes coming in the Merging/RTX world. We are anxiously waiting for the new updates that will hopefully eliminate the Nvidia exclusion and the expansion of multi-processor support.
There was a mythical MBP/Masscore setup, but the constant changes in both MAC hardware and software made it a bit of a white elephant. The mid-2014 MBP/Iris Pro Graphics with Mavericks and bootcamp using a Sonnett Echo Express was made to work, with all the same onboard video issues.
I'm looking into NUC based systems this summer. Will let you know how it turns out.
All the best,
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby Thomas Grubb » Mon Sep 11, 2017 02:21

I've been recording this way for the past 3 years - MassCore editing on a desktop and DXD (up to 8 channels) location recording using the same dongle on a laptop.

I've recorded many sessions and a number of concerts (I still connect a backup recorder to the direct outs for concerts because I'm not that trusting!) - only issue being if the Hapi has changed sample rates, there'll be a click after 20 minutes or so, but this is solved by disconnecting and reconnecting the inputs in the mixer. I'm hoping this has been solved in v11...)

I had used a lowly Lenovo laptop, but now have a 2015 13-inch MBP with external Thunderbolt drive. Haven't heard the fan yet so makes for a silent setup that's not too big. I also have Logic on the OSX partition in case the Pyramix dongle dies one day so I'm not totally stuck.

Seems fine also in DSD256 which I've been experimenting with.

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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby fl » Mon Sep 11, 2017 14:52

Thomas Grubb wrote:I've been recording this way for the past 3 years - MassCore editing on a desktop and DXD (up to 8 channels) location recording using the same dongle on a laptop.


Is the laptop running Pyramix as Native, or do you have MassCore on there as well? If Native, is it the same license as your MassCore, or do you "reprogram" your dongle?
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby klaukholm » Mon Sep 11, 2017 19:44

jplaurel wrote:I have heard that Masscore can run in Native mode on a laptop with the USB key. Do you happen to know if that's true? The reason I ask is that I'm primarily mobile, but also work in my local area.

A Sentinel dongle with any of the masscore "packs" will also work as a native dongle.
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby Thomas Grubb » Tue Sep 12, 2017 02:53

The Native Audio Support is enabled on my MassCore Pro Version 10 license - there's also Extended Native Audio Support which is not enabled, though I'm not sure what that offers. I can certainly record 8 channels of DXD on the laptop. CPU usage is quite low, and I think it's been optimised in Version 11.

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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby ljudatervinning » Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:33

Hi Mark!
What issues did you have with the W541?
I am looking at a Lenovo P51 for Native, but am not sure about it.
Have had older T-series several years back, and had to turn off the touchpad to be able to write text. (I repeatedly touched the touch-pad, making the mouse pointer move)
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby charlienyc » Thu Jan 18, 2018 16:48

ljudatervinning wrote:Hi Mark!
What issues did you have with the W541?
I am looking at a Lenovo P51 for Native, but am not sure about it.


Mine's coming today so I can let you know how it works for Native in a few days. I'm curious to hear Mark's impressions too.
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby mpdonahue » Thu Jan 18, 2018 17:34

The issues with the W541 had to do with the video affecting Masscore overs that the W540 did not have.... With Native it will be a fine system. However, I would strongly suggest you opt for the Win7pro with upgrade rather than Win 10. I haven't been able to get anywhere near the reliability with Win10pro of any build.
I loaded the W540 with a 256gb m.2 2242 SATA drive in the expansion slot for the OS'es (Dual boot Win7 pro and Win10pro) and put a 2tb 7200rpm spinning drive in the 2.5" bay for recording.
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby ljudatervinning » Thu Jan 18, 2018 21:49

@Mark: Thank you for your sharing your knowledge!
Win7 is a god tip. I am so genuinely tired off the constant updates of win10, and all the hassel to prevent it from updating itself. I am seriously considering reverting back on my desktop workstation as well.
I would prefer a new Mac book Pro, but as they are not upgradeable anymore, It is not an option.

@Charlienyc
I am looking forward to your impressions!
I am curious of fan noise under ”normal” load in Pyramix.
What screen resolution did you choose?
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Re: which laptop for pyramix/hapi

Postby charlienyc » Thu Jan 18, 2018 21:54

ljudatervinning wrote:I am qurious of fan noise under ”normal” load in Pyramix.
What screen resolution did you choose?


I'm curious about fan noise too! From the reviews I read & watched, it should be okay.
I got the 15.6" FHD (1920x1080), IPS, 10-point multi-touch. For me, there's no sense in going 4k on a screen this size.
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