Editing of Envelope Breakpoint values

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Editing of Envelope Breakpoint values

Postby fl » Sat Feb 09, 2013 01:16

I use envelope editing a lot to adjust things like dialog tracks. It would be very useful to be able to do something like right click on the envelope line, and be given the opportunity, via a pop-up, to create a single new break-point with a level value specified by typing the value in a field in the pop-up (much the same way you can with the existing Envelope Punch pop-up, only with its absolute level value, not a relative value). Same thing with existing breakpoints - a right click to call a pop-up where a new, absolute value can be typed in directly, as opposed to the rather cumbersome method of dragging to a new value, which can often result in the loss of a point's precise time location.

Also, what's up with those weird values you get when you drag a break-point? Why can it never be something useful like 0.0 dB, instead of -0.71 dB or some other strange fractional value?

For editing ranges of values over a selected region, it would be very useful to have a command that would locate the cursor and/or the beginning or end of a selected region to an envelope break-point's location (maybe a "Snap Cursor, or Snap Selection Beginning/End to Nearest Break-point" command). As it is, dragging over a region you wish to edit and then Control Clicking to drag the overall level up and down results in the creation of two new breakpoints at either end of the selection which, more often than not, have to be erased, one by one, if the intent was to maintain a gradual shift to the new values.

Finally, my perennial request: please make this stuff easier to see! Please!
Extremely fine lines with tiny little break-points make for a lot of squinting and eye-strain.
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Re: Editing of Envelope Breakpoint values

Postby tim » Sun Feb 10, 2013 07:02

Well, at least if you double-click an envelope node, it will return to 0.0 dB!
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Re: Editing of Envelope Breakpoint values

Postby J.Wajer » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:14

Good one Frank! I hardly use envelopes because they are just to tedious to work with, but alas the same applies for editing automation. The inaccurate smearing and smudging of curvatures without ever achieving a satisfactory result doesn't belong in a program that had been around for like twenty years? About time they mature. Merging should look closely at their competitors and see how they have fully developed these editing tools.... and incoprorate them indeed pretty please.
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Re: Editing of Envelope Breakpoint values

Postby fl » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:16

tim wrote:Well, at least if you double-click an envelope node, it will return to 0.0 dB!


Quite true, Tim, and holding the Shift key down while dragging allows you to drag in increments of .1 dB, which is actually useful (why isn't this the default behaviour?). Unfortunately, holding the Shift key down has the added effect of magnifying the horizontal drag, so that the slightest move to the left or right, and the break-point goes skittering off to parts unknown. This must be a bug.

The only solution is to use both the Shift and the "V" keys at the same time (moderately awkward for those of us who mouse with the left hand) - you get the fine vertical control with no horizontal movement. I sure wish these mouse and key combinations were user programmable like the keyboard shortcuts and macros.
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